. >> paul ryan is not the guy to watch, right? so paul ryan is the guy who has the real support of the house conservatives. a lot of people don't like boehner, they love paul ryan. now ryan, at the final minute, remember, he was with you for plan b. paul ryan, probably the most high profile guy, he's not running against boehner. he's not even interested. >> but robert, if the president gets this through, and i know that's a big if, doesn't this mean going forward, he just has to negotiate with mitch mcconnell? >> i mean, you always are going to have to include john boehner. he's a speaker of the house and a republican's control of the house. but i think you're making a fair point that the power to drive debate is being under-questioned right now. we're not sure how he can do it moving forward. people are going to look to this experience as how john boehner may or may not be able to drive this discussion. >> on this deal, things get thrown on to the table and then the base finds out and they get upset. what is a president's base go